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...because [livejournal.com profile] rickfan37 was talking about sad gifts...I just couldn't resist.

A little bit of background: My maternal grandmother is a passive-aggressiveness case study waiting to happen. She's also OCD, I think. She's the undisputed Mistress of the Knick-Knacks. If she likes Garfield, she buys eighty stuffed Garfields. If she likes crystal, she buys a hundred and fifty crystal pieces. These are not exaggerations. (And clocks, she has about ninety of them displayed, and they used to all be wound and chime at different times.)

So for years my paternal grandparents would ask us for lists, or ask our parents what my sister and I wanted for Christmas, and then they would obtain it, and much joy would be had. I still have the alarm clock and the tape recorder, and some of the albums they bought me, and I still think of them, and miss them.

Not so much for my maternal grandmother.

A few background examples are in order, I think.

My parents purchased a dollhouse for my sister when she was around ten or so. She was very excited, and decided that it was to be decorated in the American Colonial style. (And when my sister decides something like that, Lo, It Is Graven In Steel, you see.) My grandmother was very excited, I think, because she likes things like that (see above).

My sister told her several times that she was decorating it in a Colonial scheme. And for the next...oh...six years, for every occasion, she received dollhouse furniture (and dollhouse knick-knacks), all in a Victorian style. Yes, Victorian, which is...well...quite different from Colonial. Also, that's when the repeating began. My sister received the same hideous ornate blood-red Victorian fainting couch at least three times. She received flowery chairs, bureaus, and tables multiple times. She received at least twelve coffee mills. No, really. The dollhouse had a coffee mill in every room.

Another example? Let me think. Oh yes. Le Jardin (sp) perfume. My sister liked that perfume (well, at one point she did). She received it for her birthday, for Easter, and for Christmas, in short, for every possible gifty occasion, for four years. She could have filled a swimming pool. Our paternal grandparents sussed it out at once, and stopped purchasing it for her, but my grandmother continued on for ages, until my mother privately told her to stop.

I was continually given gifts that I was too old for.

And then we come to the point of this story. You know, when you're young, you just kind of accept the strangeness of adults, because you don't realize it's strange. You just think, "Oh, that's just Uncle Steve," and you go your merry way. But when you become older, sometimes you look back on things, and you think, wow...that really was odd behavior.

I used to play a lot with Barbies and plastic dinosaurs/animals. The Barbies were a pantheon of goddesses with distinct personalities, voices, and abilities, and the animals were usually part of a large caravan forced to wander until they could find their true home (the island in the middle of our Persian rug...remember the carpet island cultures post from Lumos? yeah, that's where it all stems from, my bizarre childhood, spent positioning white marbles on the flowers on the carpet as the central Mystery for the animals, who lived on the edges, and could only cross the "river" when the bridges...oh, never mind). The point of this is that I had no Barbie furniture at all, mostly because they lived (ahem) on the Plane of the Goddesses, and didn't really need the furniture. Mostly they talked about their enemies, anyway. Well, their main enemy, who was this very strange Barbie who was rather silly and dumb and not much of an evil mastermind at all, but did really drive them crazy, and then they'd have to plot against her. Also, there was one lone Barbie who was a solitary goddess who could turn into a wolf...y'know, I do have my Barbies still, somewhere, and this makes me want to write up an entry about them and their pantheon, and include pictures. Hell, my LJ jumped the shark a long time ago, anyway.

So one day, when I was about eight or so, I'm over at my grandmother's house, and she orders pizza from Pizza Hut (which for me was a rare thing, my mom is a great cook and we almost never ate out), and there's this little plastic insert in the middle of it to keep the pizza box from touching the top of the pizza. It's white and flat on top and has three little legs.

Immediately I grab it and say, "Wow! This is like a little table! It would be perfect for my Barbies!"

I remember the look of surprise on my grandmother's face quite clearly. Little did I know what I was in store for. She washed it and gave it to me, and I took it home. Within minutes of attempting to play with the table, I realized that it was quite flimsy, and, seeing as my Barbies almost never used furniture, it was pretty useless. They (the Barbies) didn't even have anything to put on the table. So within moments I was back to my usual plot, save the world from the scary Barbie, and that was that, I thought.

The next time I saw my grandmother, she brought three more of the "tables." I politely accepted them, but didn't really have any use for them.

For the next year and a half, every time I saw her I would receive more "tables." At one point she brought me (I am not making this up) fifteen of them, all stacked together. (As an adult I am thinking that's a hell of a lot of pizza.) When I saw the tables I cringed. Usually we had to use my mother as an intermediary, and tell her that enough was enough, and she would tell my grandmother, but in this case I just kind of blurted out, "Oh, wow, I think I have too many already" or something to that effect.

My grandmother became angry about it. No, really. How dare I not accept these pizza box inserts! I think now that she probably ordered more pizzas than normal, just to get the inserts, and then of course she always had to wash them, so there was a lot of rage in her about this...she felt as if she had "worked" for them, and that I was a silly ungrateful little girl, etc. Anyway, I had forgotten about this story until recently, and now you all have to suffer through it (well, if you've gotten this far, at least). I think about it now, and I just think that she has always had problems, and I feel very sorry for her, that she's never gotten help, and that she is now a lonely, awful woman.

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Date: 2006-12-29 02:57 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] aubrem.livejournal.com
Gosh, that is sad. I can recognize bits of that sort of behaviour in my relatives but your maternal grandmother appears to have had it in spades. I'm trying to understand what her POV might have been. Maybe she didn't know how to relate to people and what to do for them so when she hit on something (a perfume, pizza "tables") she got stuck on that thing and then when she discovered she was wrong she'd be so upset at failing she'd be angry? That doesn't explain the victorian furniture though. Maybe she didn't know the difference?

Your poor mother having to try to mediate that. (That's the bit I relate to : )

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Date: 2006-12-29 03:01 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] valis2.livejournal.com
Maybe she didn't know how to relate to people and what to do for them so when she hit on something (a perfume, pizza "tables") she got stuck on that thing and then when she discovered she was wrong she'd be so upset at failing she'd be angry?

I think you've hit the nail on the head. She's tremendously self-absorbed, but also, strangely vulnerable, and to have someone point out that she's "wrong" or that something she's done is unwanted is like a kick in the teeth to her. She's such a difficult person to deal with. If I had hours I'd try to go into the insane web she's woven, but then again, I like my flist, and don't want to subject you all to it. ;)

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Date: 2006-12-29 04:00 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] aubrem.livejournal.com
I'm happy to read anything you post. I would particularly like to see pics and read stories about the Barbie pantheon. : )

My Barbies were mostly chained naked to walls though I didn't really have a clear understanding as to why I enjoyed that.

Hmm, now I'm curious to read what everyone did with their Barbies. I'm sure it would be very revealing. : )

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Date: 2006-12-29 04:44 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] valis2.livejournal.com
Chained naked to the walls? hah!! That's great. I think you're right...it would be very revealing.

I'll have to drag them out and do a photo shoot. It could be funny.

Have you seen the floating cats (http://valis2.livejournal.com/60342.html) I did at age eleven?

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Date: 2006-12-29 03:21 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] innerslytherin
That is very sad. Especially that she got so attached to that and couldn't seem to realize herself that, you know, 8 tables would probably be enough. *sigh* I mean, it's nice that she tried, but still...wow.

You know, this behaviour is nothing like Gedna's, and yet I got to the very end, and that sentence... she has always had problems, and I feel very sorry for her, that she's never gotten help, and that she is now a lonely, awful woman. That's my grandmother. Well, she's not really awful anymore, she's just...impossible to be around, because her mind wanders so much.

In an unrelated note, I always used to make up stories involving the linoleum in my other grandma's kitchen. So your carpet islands seem very cool to me.

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Date: 2006-12-29 04:28 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] valis2.livejournal.com
Especially that she got so attached to that and couldn't seem to realize herself that, you know, 8 tables would probably be enough.

She can't accept change. At all. Seriously. If you like Le Jardin perfume, you will always like Le Jardin perfume. And she goes on a mission every time she comes over to your house, too. She looks around to make certain that you have the items she's given you displayed prominently. Or that you're wearing the clothing. Or using the pizza tables. Whatever it is. If you're not, she explodes about it behind your back, and is cranky to you about it to your face. It's just so intense!

And her mind is really going. I was reading your entry the other day about the box, and I totally understand. Last Easter my dad was driving my grandmother to my sister's house, and she kept sighing and saying how she hated winter. And my father would correct her and say, no, it's spring, and then she'd be quiet for a few minutes, and then she'd say how she hated winter, and so on, and so on.

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Date: 2006-12-29 03:21 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] thesnapelyone.livejournal.com
First off, I should say that your stories are very entertaining.

my LJ jumped the shark a long time ago, anyway.

That cracked me up. So did the entire last paragraph. And your Barbie plots sound incredibly cracktacular and entertaining, even though I hated Barbies and destroyed the one that my parents dared give me, to express my inner disharmony.

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Date: 2006-12-29 04:31 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] valis2.livejournal.com
I'm glad you find the stories entertaining. I often wonder about that as I'm writing them down. I think, is this annoying? Is this edutainment? Is this just me being pissy?

The Barbie Plots could be kind of fun. I put up the floating cats (http://valis2.livejournal.com/60342.html) ages ago, and people really seemed to like those, so maybe I should put up the Barbies as well.

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Date: 2006-12-29 09:30 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mysduende.livejournal.com
I'm just laughing because I told my niece she could use them as as tables for her Barbies. Luckily, I'm not the sort to stock up on them. ;) Your poor neurotic grandmother. It's simply a pity.

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Date: 2006-12-29 04:03 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] valis2.livejournal.com
Yes, I'm certain you did the normal, rational adult thing, which is give her a few, and think no more of it.

While she could not stop with the washing and the obsessing. It really is sad. My mom went over recently and Grandma had cabinets full of take out food containers, all laboriously washed and stacked together.

Keep in mind that my grandmother has not cooked a meal for anyone in about twenty years, and would have no use for these containers at all, because no one would ever be leaving the house with any food from her.

And let's not even talk about bread bags.

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Date: 2006-12-29 09:34 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mysduende.livejournal.com
Sounds like there's a good possibility that she has obssessive compulsive disorder and that she feels compelled to save all of that crap - which in her mind, means everything to her. Medication can control that problem but at her age, she might be too stubborn and set in her ways to go on meds. I'm sorry your own grandparent is like that!

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Date: 2006-12-29 10:32 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] melusinahp.livejournal.com
God, that is really sad. I was hoping she had gone to a pizza parlour and requested a bunch of those little thingies, as opposed to just ordering loads of pizza. I wonder what the deal is, if it's actually OCD or something else. Definitely something off kilter, though.

My paternal grandparents were their own brand of crazy. Sigh, family, eh?

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Date: 2006-12-29 11:04 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] melusinahp.livejournal.com
BTW, although this may sound insensitive, I love reading stories about people's crazy relatives and childhood Barbie torture. So go ahead. ;)

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Date: 2006-12-29 04:04 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] valis2.livejournal.com
Knowing my grandmother, these were obtained one at a time, with great personal effort involved (at least in her mind). And I'll dig the Barbies out when I get home on Monday, and see about doing a photo shoot. heh.

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Date: 2006-12-29 10:39 am (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] etrangere.livejournal.com
I'm glad I was the only one having really nuts Barbie playing XD (and carpets!)

Aww, grandmothers. This is sad. Family is hell :(

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Date: 2006-12-29 04:04 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] valis2.livejournal.com
I was really bored with the classic dress-them-okay-now-dress-them-in-different-outfits plot. Honestly, I really was much more interested in their personalities. ;)

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Date: 2006-12-29 12:50 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] corvus-coronis.livejournal.com
When people are compulsed, they don't have an easy time of taking an objective view of things. I have a little idea of the sort of person your talking about, a few years ago when I was having trouble with an ex-friend who was convinced I was 'autistic' because I was unusually withdrawn as a toddler, telling my mother about it & she then told me that my father would often blow up at me & then refuse to talk to me for weeks over the most trivial things I did (I was under two at the time). No wonder I was acting like a therapy case back then - and he's still a lot the same way now. Re' your grandmother - would she still be likely to resent you for the incident if it was ever brought up again?

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Date: 2006-12-29 04:07 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] valis2.livejournal.com
Wow, what a nightmare! How awful. My mother seems borderline autistic, honestly, because she's been subjected to so much rage and trauma from my grandmother over the years.

And my grandmother would likely get angry about it if I brought it up again, because she would rage at me for saying anything like that...she could not view it as anything other than a direct personal attack, and it would go over poorly, I think.

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Date: 2006-12-30 01:19 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] corvus-coronis.livejournal.com
Just out of curiosity, have you ever had a look at npd (http://www.halcyon.com/jmashmun/npd/index.html) as a possible cause for your Grandmother's behaviour? (some links about the effects of npd parenting on their children here (http://www.narcissism101.com/Narcissism_101/ParentChild.html) & a discussion on it here (http://www.operationdoubles.com/narc/npd-blog/2006/11/how-children-of-narcissists-get.html), which might help your mother if that does apply)

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Date: 2007-01-01 11:08 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] valis2.livejournal.com
DUDE.

This is INCREDIBLY helpful. From what I've looked at so far, it's rather scarily accurate in places.

Thank you so much for these links!!

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Date: 2007-01-02 12:29 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] corvus-coronis.livejournal.com
Your welcome, I hope the knowledge will help make a difference for you & your mum especially.

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Date: 2007-01-02 01:11 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] valis2.livejournal.com
I've already given her the link, and she's read some, and agrees. Thank you again!!

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Date: 2006-12-29 03:01 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] marginaliana
That is kind of sad. I know what you mean about being able to look back and realize how odd something is that seemed perfectly normal at the time - the fact that my grandmother seemed to subsist entirely on tinned fruit and gin, for one. :/

Hell, my LJ jumped the shark a long time ago, anyway.

*snorfle!* Actually, I find this sort of thing endlessly fascinating - please DO post your Barbie plots! I clicked over to the floating cat stuff and was seriously intrigued and have bookmarked to look at more later. It made me think of all kinds of bizarre stuff that I came up with at that age. Kids really DO have great imaginations. :D

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Date: 2006-12-29 04:08 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] valis2.livejournal.com
Tinned fruit and gin?! Whoa.

I'm surprised so many people want to see the Barbie plots! I'll definitely dig them out and do a post when I return on Monday.

The cats seemed to be a big hit at the time. I hope you find them amusing! *hugs*

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Date: 2006-12-29 03:38 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] imafarmgirl.livejournal.com
Yes, but she has provided fuel for a good story. I'm laughing so hard!

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Date: 2006-12-29 04:11 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] valis2.livejournal.com
haha! I'm glad it amuses you.

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Date: 2006-12-29 04:14 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] imafarmgirl.livejournal.com
Laughed so hard I had to use my inhaler. lol. It just seemed like something that could occur in my family. You should see the night gown my grandma got me this christmas. lol. Probably shouldn't tell her I don't wear clothes to bed. However, it's very warm for around the house.

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Date: 2006-12-29 04:05 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] sistermagpie.livejournal.com
Oh man, I can so picture this. And I knew without your mentioning it in the comments that she was probably always checking around to make sure you were using the gifts she gave you, so if Barbie didn't have at least 7 end tables out all the time there would be trouble. Since gift-giving is a drudgery for her gift-receiving should be drudgery for you!

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Date: 2006-12-29 04:17 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] valis2.livejournal.com
And I knew without your mentioning it in the comments that she was probably always checking around to make sure you were using the gifts she gave you, so if Barbie didn't have at least 7 end tables out all the time there would be trouble.

*grins* You're psychic...or you have a relative just like her. Heh.

She still checks around for things she's given. She's like a hawk. Her eyesight is horrible, but she immediately will notice old gifts.

Funny thing is, I used to like this porcelain carousel lion she had (heh, go figure). I kind of wanted it at one time, but for several years I've wanted nothing from her at all. Anyway, she did give it to me a few years ago. After looking at it closely, I realized that it was broken. My sister had a similar experience; she wanted a Morgan Le Fey figurine, and she received it, and it was broken as well. I think when she breaks them it's such a major horror for her that she can't bear to look at them anymore, so she gives them to us then, effectively killing two birds with one stone.

She still looks for that damned lion every time she comes over. I was planning on eBaying it, but it has a big crack in it. *headdesk*

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Date: 2006-12-29 04:59 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] gillieweed.livejournal.com
Oh just say the crack is in the shape of the Virgin Mary.

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Date: 2006-12-29 05:18 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] valis2.livejournal.com
haha! That would be the best solution, wouldn't it? *snort*

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Date: 2007-01-02 12:30 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] catsintheattic.livejournal.com
My god, your maternal grandmother seems to be a very bizarre person.

But do you know what really struck me? The part about playing "islands" on the living room rug! I did the same, and I had a rug in my room which had all kinds of patterns and colours, and there was water and land and bridges and stuff. And of course some species could only live in special areas and some were safe while others were dangerous... *squees in reminiscence*

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Date: 2007-01-02 05:15 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] valis2.livejournal.com
I'm considering taking a picture of the carpet and doing some sort of "diagram" to show where the water was, and the central Island of Mysteries. haha!

I'm so glad to know that I wasn't the only one making their carpet into a civilization. ;)

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